Repost of a good strategy...I use 2 sets of a/s, snows are unnecessary! I'll take new a/s over worn
09-09-2002, 06:21 PM
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Repost of a good strategy...I use 2 sets of a/s, snows are unnecessary! I'll take new a/s over worn
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/27563/19inches.jpg"></center><p>snows. 2 sets of all-seasons, one worn set for June to November, "smokers" that I have fun with. I keep a nice new set of all-seasons for winter (and rainy seasons, seriously), even up here they produce enough snow traction and we have a big hill right out front. Eventually, the good set gets double-stinted into the hot summer months, the time when most of the wear occurs. The benefits are: Economy of course, you can run your summer (smoker all-seasons) set down to the belts. Snows are unusable at any time after half-tread. I always have good winter traction with a fresh set of all-seasons, they ride better and last way better than any snows, and you don't have to rush to remove them at the end of the season.(I have a whole AWD car (Quantum) with snows on, parked until the road is fully covered then I take it out, the treads will last MANY seasons)
Whatever size your main wheels are, get all-seasons *and* get a second set of wheels in the same size with another set of all-seasons is my advice. You will get a lot of miles out of them tires, have a lot of fun in summer with smokers and ALWAYS have good, fresh all-seasons for winter. Snows are optional, I would not buy anything bigger than 15" snows anyway if they cleared the brakes.
Pic is my car w/15" P6s in 19" inches of fluff, VERY mobile in the deep stuff.
Whatever size your main wheels are, get all-seasons *and* get a second set of wheels in the same size with another set of all-seasons is my advice. You will get a lot of miles out of them tires, have a lot of fun in summer with smokers and ALWAYS have good, fresh all-seasons for winter. Snows are optional, I would not buy anything bigger than 15" snows anyway if they cleared the brakes.
Pic is my car w/15" P6s in 19" inches of fluff, VERY mobile in the deep stuff.
09-10-2002, 06:46 PM
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Of course not, you work for a tire retailer!Bring your half-bald snows here & I'll outrun you in
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/27563/19inches.jpg"></center><p>ALL-SEASONS! Do you even have to pay or do you just get a huge discount on tires?
09-11-2002, 08:42 AM
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When the extra 5-10 feet of stopping distance is required but not available, you may reconsider...
Why risk your car or worse, your life? This strategy doesn't even save you money.
09-11-2002, 09:37 AM
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What you are saying about snows is only true of the older style ice tires (more)
Older style blizzaks etc. had little rubber studs that, once worn, would not perform as well.
New ice tires (and snow tires) use microbubbles that form tiny suctions to stick on ice. These work well throughout the life of the tire.
If you want to know more read up on the Yokohama Guardex 720.
FWIW, a snow tire will perform better on dry in the cold than an all season. There's a lot more to snow tires than just tread design (ie. ideal temperature range for the compound).
New ice tires (and snow tires) use microbubbles that form tiny suctions to stick on ice. These work well throughout the life of the tire.
If you want to know more read up on the Yokohama Guardex 720.
FWIW, a snow tire will perform better on dry in the cold than an all season. There's a lot more to snow tires than just tread design (ie. ideal temperature range for the compound).
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09-11-2002, 10:08 AM
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...shorter stopping distance of bald snows?Like I said, I'll take deep treads over soft compounds
& use them a couple of summers later as smokers. You guys believe everything tire manufacturers and retailers tell you, don't you?
09-11-2002, 01:38 PM
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I believe what I have experienced over my years of living in Maine, Vermont and California...
and from working in ski areas. What state do you live in so I know not to be on the roads when it is snowing?
I have had full tread all season tires that were outright dangerous on snow (Goodyear RS-As that came stock on an A4 for instance). The only all-season that I would trust on snow are the Nokian Hak NRWs. The point that people are trying to make and you are obviously not getting is that if you are buying two sets of tires, it makes absolutely no sense to get two sets of all seasons. All seasons are no cheaper, and sometimes are significantly more expensive than dedicated snow tires. Also, I am not sure why you are fixating on bald snow tires. My half used Hak 1s were head and shoulders better than the full tread Dunlop SP5000s on my wife's car (to the tune of a 3 car length shorter stopping distance). I have had snows that lasted 5 winters and still had plenty of tread/traction left (Nokian Hak 1, Goodyear Eagle GW). What you are proposing makes no financial sense and from a safety standpoint is pretty dumb. It is not propaganda from tire manufacturers, it is a lesson that has been learned over and over in the form of bent steel and blood.
I have had full tread all season tires that were outright dangerous on snow (Goodyear RS-As that came stock on an A4 for instance). The only all-season that I would trust on snow are the Nokian Hak NRWs. The point that people are trying to make and you are obviously not getting is that if you are buying two sets of tires, it makes absolutely no sense to get two sets of all seasons. All seasons are no cheaper, and sometimes are significantly more expensive than dedicated snow tires. Also, I am not sure why you are fixating on bald snow tires. My half used Hak 1s were head and shoulders better than the full tread Dunlop SP5000s on my wife's car (to the tune of a 3 car length shorter stopping distance). I have had snows that lasted 5 winters and still had plenty of tread/traction left (Nokian Hak 1, Goodyear Eagle GW). What you are proposing makes no financial sense and from a safety standpoint is pretty dumb. It is not propaganda from tire manufacturers, it is a lesson that has been learned over and over in the form of bent steel and blood.
09-15-2002, 07:42 AM
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Why the drama?You are comparing different cars w/different tires?5 years on 1 set of snows, whatever
5 y/o snows are beyond the reccommended service life anyway, but as an expert you should kknow that. What are you doing in you car, hard-core hot cocoa runs to the ski chalet 1/2 mile away? If your snows don't see any dry pavement, maybe I'd believe you. Ok, well the imaginary Sate I live in has several snowstorms a year, our roads get plowed, then I drive to the highway and do 100 miles and hour for 10,000 miles every Winter. The snow melts a week later and...what? should I change tires again? should I run my snows on the dry highway at 100 all day so I can toss them every year or drive on bald the ones and swear the are great like you do?