scott12v@pghaudi

Thanks for the input...I'll try to reverse them as soon as I get a chance.

ftodc

Are you serious? That looks like a stock rotor, which is a major source of the problems with the stock brakes. That rotor doesn't even look like it is 3/4" thick. Brakes are one place you should not cut corners on, save money on less important items like air filters and shift *****. Get real people if your brakes fail your toast.

MikTip

I'd place the Wilwoods up against any other brake setup out there, under any conditions. Race, street, track.

What brake setup you running?

Never seen Brembo rotors before? Their far from stock!

ftodc

I meant the dimensions looked stock, should have been more specific. I am no expert, but I do know more than the average guy. I do know the value of brakes due to a couple close calls with some of my old cars. I also would bet that if I took your car to Road America for a 30 min. session that those brakes you have would be no match for my driving. I would also be willing to bet the Alcon kit would go the distance under the same conditions. If you do not drive that hard then you may not have these problems but I don't like to brake earlier for a turn simply beacause I have to worry about what my brakes will do. Just to give you an idea of how I drive, I have a set of Porshe Big Reds w/13"x1 1/4" two piece rotors on my 86 Golf GTI that wieghs 1000 pounds less than an Audi A4. I never worry about my brakes fading no matter how fast I'm going or how many times I hit them. Can you honestly say the same?

jim n

or you've got a light car and haven't asked a lot from the setup. I boiled fluid with that setup at he track. Lots of fade under hard braking, until they finally turn spongy. I'm not the only person I've seen at the track with this problem.
I've been driving hard on track for years, so maybe I just push the car a lot harder. I know people who don't have problems with their brakes but I'm usually lapping them...
jn

jim n

Brembos ARE a stock rotor....for a Porsche. The Brembos most people refer to (Porsche big reds, 993s etc.) are a street caliper. Not the same as the race calipers Brembo makes that the race teams use.
Yeah, I have seen Brembo street calipers and rotors fade on an Audi at the track before. I guess it has to do with several issues. 1) weight of car 2) speed of given car 3) driver has more ***** and drives **** out of car

dingster

They just drill some holes in them and it doesn't make them superior. Those rotors don't look much thicker than stock and they're 1 piece and has nondirectional vanes. They're not much better at dissipating heat than stock rotors.

MikTip

<center><img src="http://www.wilwood.com/images/HOME_DEPOT_AD_SCANNED.JPG"></center><p>VW GTI, weighs 1000lbs less than an Audi A4.

Sure you never have to worry about brake problems!
You'll never stress them running a car 1000lbs less in weight!

Add 1000lbs to your VW GTI and then we'll see how your brakes fair against mine.

You've never owned a set of Wilwoods like mine so how do you know how they wont hold up?

Seems many NASCAR series teams do just fine with Wilwoods! Wonder what they know? Hmmmmm?<ul><li><a href="http://www.wilwood.com/hotnews.cfm">http://www.wilwood.com/hotnews.cfm</a</li></ul>

ftodc

Nascar wow! Another joke I see. If you consider that racing I see why you own Willwoods. No I do not own nor do I ever want to own a set. Now to the math part. If my car was a thousand pounds heavier I would be running even larger brakes, say a 14"x1 1/4" rotor and a set of 6 pot calipers perhaps something like the calipers on the new GT2 Porshe. You seem to be missing the point I wouldn't even put your brakes on my Golf, and definetly not on an A4. You see I don't buy inferior parts to save money and then justify it by claiming they are as good as any other parts on the market. If you can't pony up the bucks for something better just say so, its that easy. By the way I have done some testing on the Alcon B type kit w/13"x1 1/4" rotors on an A4 and 60mph to 0mph were consistently under 80ft. Before you ask no video tape or anything was used so my word is all I have. Some people leave there purse at home when they go to the track others don't. Me I never carry a purse.

jussnb

find around here. I know him, and he REALLLLY knows his stuff. Trust me. If he is telling you that a certain brake setup is good...then it is. If he tells you that a certain brake setup is bad...then it is. Not because he has anything to gain by it, but because he has proven it to be so.

That's not to say that you don't know your stuff, but I am not afraid to admit that there are people out there who know more than me about a lot of different things. And ftodc knows more about Performance & Tuning than half of the people on the Performance & Tuning forum combined.

Nobody is trying to poke fun of you here, but the Wilwoods you are running on your car are clearly not the same Wilwoods that are being run on NASCAR vehicles. Telling us that "they're good enough for NASCAR" doesn't mean diddly-do in the real world. And how often do those NASCAR guys actually use their brakes anyway? Every time I see those guys touch their brakes, they lock up and someone ends up going into a wall. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, IMO.