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Old 09-17-2015, 04:05 PM
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" NOt to be rude, but sometimes you just have to take it to a competent audi technician"

Yes, but that will be my last resort. The nearest dealers (3 of them) are all 90 miles away, and there are no independent techs either.
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Default Defective 02 sensor?

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" NOt to be rude, but sometimes you just have to take it to a competent audi technician"

Yes, but that will be my last resort. The nearest dealers (3 of them) are all 90 miles away, and there are no independent techs either.
I've tested them with a propane torch…

here's one source for testing 02 sensors. It sounds like you're either getting a too rich signal from the 02 causing the lambda to go to minimum. Just a SWAG.

O2 Sensor FAQ

Unfortunately, if the tests show the 02 to be good, you might have a bad engine control module. That's where the dealer comes in…they can swap in a new one at THEIR risk and if it doesn't fix the problem it's part of their 'diagnostic fee.'
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Just a hunch that your Bank 2 MAF sensor might be bad, since the problem hits after it goes to closed loop. Can you swap MAF sensors side to side? If the codes swap sides, time for a new MAF.
If your missing symptoms can't be felt,(just measured by VCDS), eg no bad hesitations, my hunch could be wrong, since when my MAF failed the hesitations were severe and car was barely drivable.
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Originally Posted by johnkk
Just a hunch that your Bank 2 MAF sensor might be bad, since the problem hits after it goes to closed loop. Can you swap MAF sensors side to side? If the codes swap sides, time for a new MAF.
If your missing symptoms can't be felt,(just measured by VCDS), eg no bad hesitations, my hunch could be wrong, since when my MAF failed the hesitations were severe and car was barely drivable.

Only 1 MAF.
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Doesn't the 4.2 have 2 MAF sensors? My wife's 4.2 Touareg has 2, so I figured all 4.2's have 2.

My 2.7 A6 has only one and it failed at about 200k miles with codes and severe hesitation and lurching. Perhaps with 2 on a 4.2, a failure of one will not be as drastic.
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Originally Posted by johnkk
Doesn't the 4.2 have 2 MAF sensors? My wife's 4.2 Touareg has 2, so I figured all 4.2's have 2.

My 2.7 A6 has only one and it failed at about 200k miles with codes and severe hesitation and lurching. Perhaps with 2 on a 4.2, a failure of one will not be as drastic.
A6 C5 only has 1.


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Oh well, that shoots the idea, since only one bank has the codes.
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are the O2 sensors after the catalytic converters used in the closed loop fuel control, or are they only used to sense the health of the converters?

I'm wondering if the exhaust leak between the converter and the sensor two is the issue.
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Default intake manifold air leak causes fuel trim to error out at idle

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2000 A6 4.2, 115000 miles. Problem is with bank 2 sensor 1 intermittent. I assume it is a wiring issue, but i can't find it. I'm reluctant to probe the engine controller connector, i have seen the contacts damaged from careless probing.

I had a code for intermittent sensor, so i replaced the sensor with the Bosch OEM part.

Now i get P0154 code after the coolant temperature gets near 90C.

Watching the lambda values with the Ross-Tech tool, bank 1 ramps between ~0% and -5%. Bank 2 ramps between ~0% and +5%. When the coolant temperature gets near 90C, bank 2 sensor 1 goes to +25% and the voltage to ~50 mV.

i cleaned the connectors.

No amount of pulling, pushing, or bending on the wire harness or connectors will make the sensor fail at low temperature or work after it has been hot. Letting the car cool overnight starts the process all over. The sensor wire is not near the exhaust pipe

I recently had the transmission out and i have a leak in the exhaust at the resonator, which i was hoping to hold off replacing until next summer.

i did find the passenger side (US drive) intake manifold flap stuck and fixed that.

No codes indicating air leaks.

If i drive it until it is hot, i get codes for misfire on 5, 6, 7, and 8, and rough running.

No other codes.

i assume it is wiring, the harness passes behind the coolant expansion tank, but i'm not having success tracking it down.
OK, i fixed this. There was an air leak in the intake manifold gasket to bank 2. Fixing was complicated by misunderstanding the fuel trim function. Fuel trim is only active after the engine reaches 80C. Below 80C fuel trim operates on the stored value or default value if the stored value is invalid. Above 80C fuel trim tries to adjust Lambda to the optimum. I was misinterpreting the fuel trim value. Diagnosis was complicated because all O2 sensors appeared to work at low temperatures, and the car could be driven without generating an engine check light. ECL only came on if engine temperature was above 80C and idled long enough for fuel trim to error out. You could start up cold and go drive without problem if you didn't happen to idle for more than about a minute, because as long as the throttle was open the air leak was small enough that the fuel trim could compensate. Probably if i had taken the time to properly understand the fuel trim function i would not have had to replace the O2 sensor.
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